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Corporations Murder People?

I’ve been seeing the digital image and hand written sign that says “I’ll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one of them” for months and I keep asking “who has been murdered by what corporation?” and no one can ever answer. I suspect I know why…

If the answer is “no one” then the sign is meaningless.

Sorry to give away the ending, but: The answer is “no one” and the sign is meaningless.

It should read “I’ll believe corporations are people when one commits murder”.

If there is a case of an American corporation murdering someone then show it to me so I can publicize the event and look into why it wasn’t properly prosecuted and why the corporation wasn’t executed. It’s not impossible that a Corporation murdered someone and then got away with it while continuing to do business but… no. nevermind. it’s pretty not-possible.

What the legal classification of a Corporation being a person means is not that if you carry it’s documents with you in your car then you can drive in the carpool lane or anything stupid like that – it just means that a corporation can’t be deprived constitutional rights. or in other words: people can’t be deprived of their constitutional rights when they act collectively in commerce (and form a corp). i.e: Corporate personhood says that the government can’t deny fifth amendment rights or free speech rights to a group of people in a corporation just as they can’t to an individual. hippies hate that rule because they hate anything designed to make a profit and that is what a corporation is, so hence their fight against corporate personhood.

But if a corporation murdered anyone then it definitely should be executed. I’m just waiting for the facts behind this phrase…

Dear Hippies: Using clever slogans only remains clever if their content makes sense. If there is no factual basis for your sloganeering then you’re not making a point, you’re unmaking it.

I’m eager to hear all the cases of murder where the perpetrator was a Corporation, so if you’re one of the people who keeps posting this sign on facebook – send em on in!

Show me the time that McDonalds sent out an order to shoot a guy or when Microsoft had someone beat to death in a Dennys parking lot. That’s what murder is, fellas. Willful intent and success at killing innocent humans. Microsoft making shitty products is not murder and McDonalds making fatty food is not murder and only murder is punishable by execution. So. Have at it and i’ll update this post with all your examples.

Current instances of Corporate Murder: 0

UPDATE: Well this is embarrassing. In search of an example that makes this line make sense, I found this image below. Shit. I totally forgot about that time Wal-Mart killed 3 thousand innocent civilians. NEVER FORGET.

This sums up how hippies view private businesses exercising free market capitalism as something to be scared of. which is a sign of a mental disorder or extreme narcissism because people buying things they want would only “scare” the most twisted Communist-minded utopian douche.

Dislike a chain of stores all you want, but if stores selling grooming products, toys, household items, tools, clothes, vitamins, and groceries frightens you, you have some pretty deep psychological problems.

UPDATE: Cory leaves the following comment:

New Forests Company

you lose.

I didn’t know I had bet anything so I don’t know what it is I am losing, but I’ve also never heard of this Corp, so I took to Google which surfaced the following:

The New Forests Company is a UK-based sustainable and socially responsible forestry company with established, rapidly growing plantations and the prospect of a diversified product base for local and regional export markets which will deliver both attractive returns to investors and significant social and environmental benefits.

Oh… UK-based…that might be why I’ve never heard of them and their website says they operate in Africa. I’m not so sure that the American state of Texas can apply it’s death penalty laws to a non-American corporation (nah, I’m just putting it that way to soften the blow. the truth is that I know for a fact that that’s how it works), but if this corporation has been convicted of killing anyone then thats still pretty big, American or not.

[7 minutes on Google later]: It appears there have been no convictions of murder, but some villagers in Uganda gave eye witness reports that New Forests Company security officers killed some unnamed people. Hmm… this is some pretty odd conviction standards: an unnamed eye witness gives an out-of-court report that a non-America Corporation killed an unnamed person or persons in Uganda under unknown circumstances and that has a relation to the American constitution and American law of Corporate Personhood somehow? But of course even if I accept that part – this “some guy killed someone somewhere” is not conviction worth testimony. If Cory – or any of you reading this – has evidence that the New Forest Corporation actually did instruct a murder hit on any individuals in this Ugandan village then even though it’s not American and not subject to our laws, it would be a decent non-American example. I will email Cory and ask if he has info pointing towards just that (which I assume he does on account of me losing) but if you know anything about this you email me too and i’ll update accordingly.

Developing…

UPDATE: Jason comments with more argument that is along the same that leads me to realize more clarity is required for the issue. First, Jasons comment:

Failures of corporations routinely cause harm and death to humans. If you have to ask for sources, then you clearly aren’t paying attention. These abuses are ‘settled out of court’ in civil suits and never reach the criminal justice system.

Google for ‘wrongful death settlements’ and be careful who you believe until you’ve followed their money trail.

I appreciate the attempt in this comment, but it’s no good unless you can also provide examples of when Texas has ever executed someone due to a failure. Who has ever been executed for murder because they failed at safety conditions around their house or property? This comment argues far more that a Corporation is a human than it does against it (again: un-making the point). Humans routinely cause harm and death to humans. So what relevance does that have to the question posed here, which is “What corporation has murdered someone?”. Humans murdering humans are not settled out of court and neither would a corporation murdering anyone. Causing harm is not murder and “causing” death is not even necessarily murder. Wrongful death settlements are in no way examples of murder – they are examples of wrongful deaths.

The search continues for the American Corporation who has ever murdered anyone, ever – OR – the Texas execution of anyone who has ever been involved with wrongful harm or death of someone parallel to that of a corporate example.

Norway Murderer wasn’t a “Christian Terrorist”

A correction and apology and Reason 9Billion why our (meaning America’s) news media sucks: I just found out now that this guys manifesto that was cited as him being Christian says so in the context of him differentiating himself from other non-Christian nations and that instead of any preaching, fundamentalism endorsement or anything somewhat somehow partially approaching a belief that God wants him to kill people – he says he has “no relationship” with God or Jesus Christ. So in other words: he is a “Christian terrorist” on less of a level that he is a “weird studded chin hair whisker terrorist”.

There’s no way around this one, guys. I get that people are eager to have a Christian, or at least non-Muslim terrorist movement example to point to in the decade wake of September 11th and it’s related jihadist bombings around the world, but distortion is never a way to argue a point. This Norway loser said that “Christian fundamentalist theocracy” is “everything we DO NOT want” and a “secular European society” is “what we DO want.” There’s no Christian-terrorism here…

I apologize for my previous comments that took anti-Christian biased reports as fact without checking for myself.

His use of the term is not based on faith but out of collective identification with a notion of “Christian Europe.”

“Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man,” he says in his 1,500-page manifesto. “I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe.”

Breivik’s video, in which he blames “cultural Marxists” for supporting a multicultural Europe, is replete with imagery of various sword-wielding and carnage-provoking crusaders and defenders, many of whom sport crosses.

Ironically, anyone who has recently checked the state of deep and abiding faith, or “piety,” in Europe, will find the place is decidedly, and more than ever, secular. In this sense at least Breivik is honest about his brand of Christianity. God-talk hasn’t occupied much of northern Europe for years, and not because bearded jihadists have blocked the entrance to the church.


Update, August 2012: Trained to be a sociopath?

UPDATE: More info and humorously delivered facts about the killerthat is spot on, but… you’re not gonna like that it’s from Ann Coulter, who titles her piece New York Times Reader Kills Dozens in Norway (a reference to the fact that Breivik cited the NY Times over a dozen times but the bible 0 times):

Breivik says he is “not an excessively religious man,” brags that he is “first and foremost a man of logic,” calls himself “economically liberal” and reveres Darwinism.

But Times reporters had their “Eureka!” moment as soon as they heard Breivik used the word “Christian” someplace to identify himself. No one at the Times bothered to read Breivik’s manifesto to see that he doesn’t use the term the way the rest of us do. That might have interfered with the paper’s obsessive Christian-bashing.

Other famous killers dubbed conservative Christians by the Times include Timothy McVeigh and Jared Loughner.

McVeigh was a pot-smoking atheist who said, “Science is my religion.”

Similarly, Breivik says in his manifesto that “it is essential that science take an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings” –- a statement that would be incomprehensible to all the real scientists, such as Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Descartes, Bacon, Newton, Mendel, Pasteur, Planck, Einstein and Pauli, all of whom believed the whole purpose of science was to understand God.

The Tucson shooter, Jared Loughner, was lyingly described by the Times as a pro-life fanatic. Not only did more honest news outlets, such as ABC News, report exactly the opposite — for example, how Loughner alarmed his classmates by laughing about an aborted baby in class — but Loughner’s friends described him as “left wing,” “a political radical,” “quite liberal” and “a pothead.” Another said Loughner’s mother was Jewish.

The only reason Timothy McVeigh has gone down in history as a right-wing Christian and Jared Loughner has not — despite herculean efforts by much of the mainstream media to convince us otherwise — is that by January 2011 when Loughner went on his murder spree, conservatives had enough media outlets to reveal the truth.

As explained in the smash best-seller “Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America,” the liberal rule is: Any criminal act committed by a white man with a gun is a right-wing, Christian conspiracy, whereas any criminal act committed by a nonwhite is the government violating someone’s civil liberties.

Smooth Criminal

I haven’t heard anyone comment on the Norway murderer being clean cut and handsome. I find it comment-worthy because its more disturbing when a murderer is attractive. Look at all the support Casey Anthony got just a month ago. Think anyone would care if she were fatter or fuglier in the face? This dude is gonna be big pimpin in his college dorm style prison cell during his 21 year sentence and it’s disgusting. He should be executed.

Casey Anthony Verdict Reaction

If I ever get really pissed off at my mom, I’m gonna kill myself and then duct tape my mouth and transport my body so it looks like she did it. Way to go Caylee! you totally Punk’d yo momma.

what if the person who killed Nichole Brown Simpson, JonBenet Ramsey and Caylee Anthony was all the same guy. and it was Andy Kaufman?

Think before you judge… LET HE who has never found a family member unexplainably drowned, put duct tape over their mouth, transported and hid the body and then lied about it to the police CAST HE FIRST STONE…

Instead of going to real news sources, I’ll share the best of my Facebook feed:

Hope she’ll make enough money from her book/movie/interview deals to get plastic surgery to completely change her face. She’s gonna need it. -Tracie Lynn Rainwater

Casey Anthony is to receive an honorary MD and medal from NOW for the first successfully executed extreme late term abortion… Meanwhile, children all over Florida are miraculously acting like little angels today. -Chris Loesch

Shit! -Michael Buckley 

should we even call it the justice system anymore? -Kari Lyn

Casey Anthony and O.J. should share a cell. -Amanda Jordan Harris

Via Twitter: @EliBraden ME TOO!! ITS LIKE WHEN YOUR DAD HELPED GET O.J. OFF!! RT @KimKardashian: WHAT!!??!! CASEY ANTHONY NOT GUILTY!!!! I’m speechless!!! 

The court system didn’t fail today, the jury didn’t fail today. The prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey Anthony murdered her child. This is how our court systems work. It isn’t ‘what happened’, but what you can prove happened. Casey Anthony is a convicted liar and she has four charges of ‘misleading law enforcement’ to prove it. -Nick Lashbrook

brb guys. i’m off to go be the next Tot Dad for three years and lie my way back to freedom! wish me luck! #ihatecaseyanthony -Greg Breeden

casey anthony shows what I learned in my divorce. Woman can lie, steal, cheat and murder and get away with it all day long on this planet. -Matthew Callahan

Guilty people lie~she was charged with more than one count of “lying” to the police and withholding evidence~but I guess aside from torture to get her to talk there isn’t much more we can do; I say water board the bitch~Too bad she can admit it now and just walk away; double jeopardy~?~She walks and no one will ever know until someone else comes out with it. -Danielle Dressell

Damn, glad I didn’t get my law degree, with the number of self-proclaimed lawyers on facebook alone I don’t think I’d ever find a job -Rylan Maddox

argh.. opinion… argh… casey anthony.. argh argh… something something… argh… exclamation point, exclamation point.. argh. burp. -Kat Ballard

Casey Anthony is living the AMERICAN DREAM!!!!! Shook herself loose of all her responsibilities like they were fleas, and will now get to sell that horrific story for millions! God Bless America!!! -Michelle Phillips

God bless Caylee. Casey Anthony, hell awaits. Nobody puts duct tape on their daughter’s mouth after she has “accidentally” drowned in the pool. Nobody in their right damned mind hides the fact that her daughter has died if it was an “accident.” This judicial system is just sick. I am disgusted beyond belief. -Chelsea Reneé Gregg

Investigators Identified Murdered Model by Serial Numbers on Breast Implants

100% awful: Jasmine Fiore, a former Playboy model who was found dead in a suitcase with her fingers and teeth removed, has been identified by her breast implants.

And as if to follow one of those “whats gross? – whats grosser than gross?” black humor jokes, the parents of Ryan Jenkins, the fugitive millionaire reality TV star sought in connection with the murder, have been accused of helping him to evade capture.

Also, if you’re trying to find her Playboy pictures, you’re out of luck because although she worked for Playboy in various capacities, she was never a centerfold and never posed nude for the magazine or any of its representations online or in print.

Fiore’s body was found in a trash bin in Buena Park, Orange County, (about 20 miles south-east of Los Angeles). Her frigging teeth had been pulled out and her fingers cut off, apparently to prevent the body from being identified. Investigators used the serial numbers on her breast implants to identify her, a spokesman for the Orange County’s district attorney’s office said.

And the murder suspect only makes it weirder more wtf-ish…

Authorities believe Mr Jenkins, a millionaire property developer who appeared on the VH1 show “Megan Wants a Millionaire”, fled via car, boat and on foot to enter his native Canada.

Investigators said his father’s private jet flew from Honduras to the US around the time Mr Jenkins made his escape.

They believe he has been in contact with his mother, who lives in Vancouver, British Columbia, and, despite the international manhunt, she has allegedly been assisting him.

I feel like we skipped over this just a little too quickly. Reminder: “The victim had been badly beaten, all of her fingers had been cut off, and all of her teeth had been forcibly removed,” said a statement from the California prosecutors…

Now the suspect boyfriend found dead. ug…

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